Richmond v Collingwood War

 

I started out as a Collingwood supporters as my Dad, Grandfather, Uncle Ian and Aunty Barb were all Collingwood supporters. But somewhere in Grade Prep and Grade One in 1979-1980 I changed to Richmond as my two best friends then at the small school of Weerite Primary barracked for Richmond.

 

Though a Richmond supporter I attended a lot of Collingwood matches especially between 1986-1992 with my Pa, Uncle & Aunty and Dad when not milking and enjoyed watching Daicos, Brown and McGuane. Being a country boy this was the only way I could go to the football as was not allowed to attend a Richmond game in the city on my own. I was happy just to see a match and developed a soft (maybe pity) spot for them until they then won the 1990 Grand Final. Through in the era I was generally disappointed though at looking at Richmond scores at quarter and half time when I would see they were generally losing in this era. The scores would come up using the unique footy record system of scores coming up to an allocated letter.

 

Richmond and Collingwood started as traditional rivals being neighbouring suburbs with both suburbs sharing Punt Road in Richmond or Hoddle Street in Collingwood. The rivalry between Richmond and Collingwood probably started in 1920 with Dan Minogue (not Kylie’s sister). Dan Minogue had played for Collingwood between 1911-1916 over 85 games and was Pies captain from 1914-1916. Minogue joined the Australia war effort in Europe before returning to Australia in 1919 and turned his photo around on the wall. When Minogue returned he was upset with Collingwood treatment of close friend and teammate Jim Sadler. Minogue requested a clearance to Richmond which was denied and he was made to stand out of football for the 1919 season. Minogue was captain-coach of Richmond from 1920-1925 and captain-coach of Richmond inaugural premiership in 1920 (against Collingwood) and then again in 1921. He also went on to coach Carlton, St Kilda and Fitzroy. The rivalry intensified in the 1920s with Collingwood beating Richmond in three consecutive Grand Finals from 1927-1929.

 

The two biggest football personalities of the 1970s and 1980s were Collingwood’s Lou Richards and Richmond’s Jack Dyer who appeared on World of Sport and League Teams together often getting stuck into each other with good natured banter. Jack Dyer summed it up his feelings about Collingwood with this great quote: ‘He hated Collingwood so much he did not even have a black and white TV.’

 

After Richmond defeated Collingwood in the 1980 Grand Final, Collingwood got their revenge two year later by recruiting Richmond captain David Cloke and Geoff Raines. Collingwood’s banner for the first game against Richmond in 1983 read ‘Out in the Woods, without a Cloke and it Raines.’ Richmond saw this as war and made a big play at Peter Daicos. Daicos declined the big offer but in 1984, the 1983 recruit of the year Phillip Walsh and John Annear and then later Peter McCormack and Craig Stewart all departed Vic Park for Punt Road. Richmond were so keen to get anything from Collingwood they probably made moves on Geoff Hayward, Laurie Holden and Danny Rowe from the Movie ‘The Club.’ The war achieved nothing with both clubs going broke by 1986. Collingwood recovered quickly after blooding youth in 1987 to win in 1990 while Richmond would not win a flag until 2017 and between 1983-2012 only made the finals in two seasons.

 

I have selected a team of Tigers that became Magpies and Magpies that became Tigers from 1980 with also topped up with some draft pick selections that changed hands. As the teams indicate there has being no winners in this war with Cloke and Taylor being the best players. Fortunately trade activity between the two clubs has been very quiet since the turn of the century.

 

 

 

 

Collingwood

 

FB:           Kevin Morris                      Steve McKee                       Jamie Tape

 

CHB:       Gerald Betts                       Jason McCartney               Jason Cloke

 

C:             Matthew Francis               Geoff Raines                       Mark Pitura

 

CHF:        Terry Keays                       Allan Edwards                    Stephen Ryan

 

FF:           David Cloke                       Brian Taylor                         Michael Lockman

 

Ruck:       Brad Smith                        Jon Hummel                       Andrew Krakouer

 

Interchange: Danny Roach, Steven Roach, Oleg Markov, Robert Schaefer

 

Emgergencies: Brett Chalmers, Graham Teasdale, Adam Treloar

 

Coach: Tom Hafey

 

 

 

Kevin Morris

110 Richmond 1971-1976

71 Collingwood 1978-1981

Premiership player 1973-1974 and Best & Fairest in 1975. Morris fell out of favour at Richmond after missing 1977 with injury and requested to join Collingwood as Tom Hafey was there.

 

 

Steve McKee

20 Richmond 1998-1999

64 Collingwood 2000-2004

Was traded to Collingwood with Pick 7 for Clinton King and Pick 3. McKee had a very good 2002 including 2002 Finals and Grand Final.

 

 

Jamie Tape

75 Richmond 1994-1997

16 Collingwood 1998-1999

Jamie Tape finished fourth in 1995 Best & Fairest at Richmond in a season Richmond finished third.

 

 

Gerald Betts

10 Richmond 1974-1975

27 Collingwood 1977-1980

Betts played in the 1977 Grand Finals, named on the bench.

 

 

Jason McCartney

38 Games 1991-1994

McCartney was drafted aged 16 in 1990 by Collingwood with Pick 4. McCartney was considered a high draft prospect with plenty of clubs interested in him, with some thinking him maybe Pick 1. So how did reigning premiers Collingwood get him. Richmond wanted 20 year Terry Keays who had played 20 games in four years including six in 1990.

 

 

Jason Cloke

76 Games Collingwood 2002-2006

Cloke was eligible for both Collingwood and Richmond as a father-son pick but chose Collingwood who was more interested and he was taken with Pick 19 in 2000.

 

 

Matthew Francis

19 Richmond 1990-1995

36 Collingwood 1996-1998

Francis was traded to Collingwood for Robert Powell.

 

 

Geoff Raines

134 Richmond 1976-1982

45 Collingwood 1983-1986

Raines won three Best & Fairest at Richmond and quit Collingwood after two games in 1986 to move to Essendon.

 

 

Mark Pitura

2 Richmond 1993

Pitura was drafted by Collingwood with Pick 9 in the 1996 Pre Season draft but did not play a game.

 

 

Terry Keays

20 Collingwood 1987-1990

25 Richmond 1990-1992

Keays after being delisted by Richmond and was drafted again by Collingwood with Pick 12 in 1993 Mid-Season draft but did not play a game in his second stint.

 

 

Allan Edwards

66 Richmond 1975-1979

35 Collingwood 1979-1983

Edwards moved to Collingwood after four games with Richmond in 1979 and played in the 1979 Grand Final.

 

 

Stephen Ryan

43 Richmond 1990-1993

8 Collingwood 1994

Ryan was Richmond’s leading goal kicker in 1990 and was Pick 34 in the 1994 Preseason draft.

 

 

David Cloke

219 Richmond 1974-1982, 1990-1991

114 Collingwood 1983-1989

Cloke was appointed vice captain on arrival and came second in the 1984 Brownlow. His three sons all played for Collingwood.

 

 

Brian Taylor

43 Richmond 1980-1984

97 Collingwood 1985-1990

Taylor won the Coleman Medal in 1986.

 

 

Michael Lockman

4 Richmond 1983, 1986

15 Collingwood 1986-1987

Lockman played the first three rounds with Richmond in 1986, before a return to Collingwood in Round 15.

 

 

Brad Smith

0 Richmond 1996-1997

1 Collingwood 2000

Smith was Pick 35 for Richmond in 1995 and was traded for Aaron James at the end of 1997.

 

 

Jon Hummel

9 Richmond 1977-1978

3 Collingwood 1980

Hummel also played 14 games for South Melbourne in 1979.

 

 

Andrew Krakouer

102 Richmond 2001-2007

35 Collingwood 2011-2013

Andrew is the son of Jim. After being delisted at the end of 2007, Krakouer spent 32 months in prison due to assault. In 2010 he won the Sandover Medal and was traded to Collingwood from Gold Coast.

 

 

Danny Roach

1 Collingwood 2001

Collingwood traded Pick 3 and Clinton King for Pick 7 and Steve McKee. Collingwood used Pick 7 of the 1999 draft on Roach, the next pick was Joel Corey Pick 8. Roach’s only game ironically was against Richmond.

 

 

Stephen Roach

2 Richmond 1978

4 Collingwood 1979-1980

Roach also played two games for St Kilda in 1981

 

 

Oleg Markov

23 Richmond 2016-2020

0 Collingwood 2023

Markov also played 28 games for Gold Coast and has joined Collingwood this year

 

 

Robert Schaefer

11 Richmond 1993

Schaefer was selected with Pick 14 in 1997 Pre Season draft but did not play a game.

 

 

Brett Chalmers

0 Games Richmond & Collingwood

Chalmers was drafted by Richmond in 1989 but Chalmers declined to come, he was then Pick 10 in 1992 for Collingwood. This was ruled ineligible due to draft tampering and Chalmers was traded to Adelaide. Chalmers played 75 games at Adelaide and Port Adelaide. His son Kyle is an Olympic Gold Medallist.

 

 

Graham Teasdale

6 Richmond 1973

14 Collingwood 1982-1983

Teasdale played 121 games at South Melbourne and won the 1977 Brownlow Medal.

 

 

Adam Treloar

94 Collingwood 2016-2020

Legend has it Treloar’s choice of clubs post-GWS was between Collingwood and Richmond; he chose Collingwood as he deemed Collingwood to have a better list

 

 

Tom Hafey

After coaching Richmond to four premierships, Hafey left at end of 1976 due to a lack of support. Hafey coached Collingwood to 1977, 1979, 1980 & 1981 Grand Finals.

 

 

 

 

 

Richmond

 

FB:           John Mrakov                      Peter McCormack            Neil Peart

 

CHB:       Terry Domburg                  Aaron James                     Athas Hrysoulakis

 

C:             Aaron Fiora                        Mark Coughlan                 Phillip Walsh

 

CHF:        Noel Lovell                         Craig Stewart                    Robert Powell

 

FF:           Terry Keays                        Ross Brewer                      Wally Lovett

 

Ruck:       David Cloke                       John Annear                      Clinton King

 

Interchange: Bob Heard, Rod Oborne, Andrew Pugsley, Andrew Tarpey

 

Emgercencies: Tom Lynch

 

Coach: Danny Frawley

 

 

 

John Mrakov

3 Collingwood 1987-1990

8 Richmond 1991

Mrakov was pick 27 in 1991 preseason draft

 

 

Peter McCormack

160 Collingwood 1976-1985

4 Richmond 1986

McCormack was let go by Collingwood due to financial concerns prior to the 1986 season and signed a three year deal at Richmond but was gone by Round 11 to Fitzroy.

 

 

Neil Peart

13 Collingwood 1982

40 Richmond 1983-1984, 1986-1987

Peart was one of the players swapped to Richmond for Geoff Raines. Peart played nine games for Footscray in 1985.

 

 

Terry Domburg

13 Collingwood 1980-1982

Collingwood paid Richmond $180,000 for Geoff Raines and offered Neil Peart, Wally Lovett and Terry Domburg. Domburg was living in Portland and decided to stay there.

 

 

Aaron James

23 Collingwood 1994-1997

30 Richmond 1998-2000

James was traded from Collingwood to Richmond for Brad Smith and also played one game in 2002 at the Western Bulldogs.

 

 

Athas Hrysoulakis

19 Collingwood 1987-1990

Hrysoulakis was picked up by Richmond with Pick 5 in the 1991 Mid-season Draft but did not play a game there.

 

 

Aaron Fiora

78 Richmond 2000-2004

Richmond traded Steve McKee and Pick 7 for Clinton King and Pick 3 in 1999 AFL draft. With Pick 3 Richmond drafted Aaron Fiora, Pick 4 was Matthew Pavlich. Fiora played 62 games for St Kilda.

 

 

Mark Coughlan

92 Richmond 2001-2009

Richmond reportley passed on using their second round pick in 2000 draft on Jason Cloke and chose Mark Coughlan instead who sadly was affected badly by injuries despite winning the 2003 Best & Fairest.

 

 

Phillip Walsh

22 Collingwood 1983

40 Richmond 1984-1986

Walsh was 1983 recruit of the year before being poached by Richmond. Walsh played 60 games at the Brisbane Bears and won the 1987 Best & Fairest. Walsh was a highly respected assistant coach who was appointed Adelaide’s head coach in 2015 before he was tragically killed half way through the year.

 

 

Noel Lovell

16 Collingwood 1981-1984

4 Richmond 1985-1986

Lovell debuted in the 1981 Preliminary Final.

 

 

Craig Stewart

115 Collingwood 1978-1983

35 Richmond 1984-1986

Stewart played in the 1980 and 1981 Grand Finals and joined Richmond along with Walsh and Annear in 1984.

 

 

Robert Powell

56 Richmond 1996-2000

Powell was Pick 64 for Collingwood in 1994 and was traded for Matthew Francis in 1995. Powell also played 10 games for St Kilda.

 

 

Terry Keays

20 Collingwood 1987-1990

25 Richmond 1990-1992

Keays was traded from Collingwood for Pick 4 in 1990.

 

 

Ross Brewer

47 Collingwood 1979-1981

6 Richmond 1982-1983

Brewer played 121 games for Richmond from 1972-1978.

 

 

Wally Lovett

15 Collingwood 1982

13 Richmond 1983-84

Lovett was swapped to Richmond in the Geoff Raines deal.

 

 

David Cloke

219 Richmond 1974-1982 & 1990-1991

114 Collingwood 1983-1989

Cloke was Richmond Grand Final captain in 1982 and was Pick 1 in the 1990 preseason draft. Cloke kicked eight goals in his last game and had nine Brownlow votes in his last three games.

 

 

John Annear

43 Collingwood 1981-1983

65 Richmond 1984-1986

Annear was poached by Richmond in 1984. Annear also played 58 games for the West Coast Eagles.

 

 

Clinton King

22 Collingwood 1998-1999

58 Richmond 2000-2003

King started at Sydney where he played nine games. He was part of the McKee and draft picks trade.

 

 

Bob Heard

106 Collingwood 1970-1977

22 Richmond 1978-1979

Heard played in 1970 Grand final and while he did not play a game in 1980 he did play for Richmond reserves that year.

 

 

Rod Oborne

87 Collingwood 1972-1979

5 Richmond 1979-1981

Rod’s son Brad was drafted by Collingwood as a Father-Son Pick, and played five games from 1999-2000.

 

 

Andrew Pugsley

5 Collingwood 1998

Pugsley was never drafted by Richmond but was a supplementary top up reserves player in 2000.

 

 

Andrew Tarpey

9 Collingwood 1988-1991

Tarpey was drafted by Richmond with Pick 18 in 1992 Mid-Season Draft but he decided to stay at Sandringham.

 

 

Tom Lynch

83 Richmond 2019-

Lynch was tossing up between coming to Richmond and Collingwood as a Free Agent in 2018. Meetings between Lynch and prospective clubs became funny footage for news coverage with Collingwood list manager Ned Guy seen jumping a neighbour’s fence in Blairgowrie.

 

 

Danny Frawley

Frawley was an assistant coach at Collingwood from 1996-1999 before being appointed Richmond coach in 2000.

 

 

Enjoy and Go Tigers

 

 

 

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