Finally a solution to end all pub arguments…
…Or maybe a way to start a lot more (arguments).
1965…
The average cost for a new house was $13,600. The cost for a new Car was $2,650. Australia joined the Vietnam War and the Voting Rights Act was brought in so African American citizens could vote. Rhodesia declared Unilateral Independence From Great Britain and became Zimbabwe.
1965 was also the first time VFL/AFL statistics were reported in the newspaper from all teams. Prior to this only ‘blockbuster’ matches were statistically recorded. The next 53 years these statistics have given the footballing public a rare insight into the game and led to the birth of Champion Data, Dream Team and SuperCoach.
From researching on AFL Tables it’s time to end all pub arguments which have bubbled since the beginning of Aussie Rules. Great players have always been compartmentalised by questions like “Who is the greatest forward”, “Who is the greatest midfielder”, “Pick one, Ablett or Carey”. These questions have been debated more than a million times over a few pots at the local watering hole.
With the help of my two mates Michael Phyland and Robbie Swan, players since 1965 have been ‘shone under the same light’. Whilst spending many hours on AFL Tables and Excel, we created a system where we can compare great players from the past with greats of the present and everyone inbetween. Some of the stats such as ‘inside 50s’ ‘contested possessions’ and ‘metres gained’ were dropped to create an even playing field. We used only the core statistics.
These core statistics are:
- (KI) Kicks x3 points
- (MK) Marks x3 points
- (HB) Handballs x2 points
- (GL) Goals x6 points
- (BH) Behinds x1 points
- (FF) Free Kick For x1 points
- (FA) Free Kick Against x(-1) points
With the help of these core ‘stats’ every player who has played an VFL/ AFL match from round 1 1965 have finally been compared with stats instead of arguments and opinions. Fortunately some all time greats of the game, like triple Brownlow Medalist Bob Skilton were recorded because he played 98 games after Round 1 1965.
‘Most Points in a Completed Season’, ‘Highest Average Points in a Season’, ‘Highest Career Average 50 or more games’, ‘Most Points in a Players Career’ and the ‘Highest Score by a Player in a Match’ are all here to quench your curiosity. Some of these figures and averages are quiet astounding, with many previously unheralded players featuring.
Dane Swan, known for his partying ways, is also one of the greatest midfielders to have played the game. Swan appears not once but four times in the top 20 for ‘Most Points in a Season’. These four seasons were consecutively; he averaged a remarkable 31 touches a match in the 98 matches he played and averaged 106 points a match.
The ’70s also feature prominently, especially 1971, when three players (Wayne Richardson, David Thorpe and Peter Hudson) all finished with a season average of 105 or more. This is an amazing stat because the player season average for the year was only 55.
Kevin Bartlett was a prolific on-baller during his 403 game, 19 season career with the Tigers. Bartlett, over his long career, accumulated 35373 points at a remarkably high average of 87. Fitzroy’s gutsy rover Garry Wilson, often compared with the likes of Bartlett and Leigh Matthews as the greatest rover, averaged 95 points over his 268 games. It is outrageous to compare Wilson with modern day superstar Dustin Martin. Martin averages just over 85 points over his 178 game career. Obviously, Martin’s career is still growing year by year, however Wilson must have been a freak.
Lance Franklin’s 13 goal game against North Melbourne in 2012 is regarded as one of the greatest performances during this decade. Franklin scored 184 points for the match; this pales in comparison with Jason Dunstall’s 1992 season which saw him pass the double ton three times. This included a VFL/AFL record of 247 points from his 17 goal, 18 mark, 29 disposals performance against Richmond in Round 7.
Dunstall passed the 200 mark twice more in round 20 and 22, when he kicked 12 goals 8 behinds from 24 touches against Essendon and two rounds against Richmond again kicking 12 goals 6 behinds from 27 touches.
Unbelievably, from all the highest scores where a player scored 175 points or more in a match, three players with the surname ‘Richardson’ appear, yet none of them are related. Wayne Richardson and Matthew Richardson appear twice, while Michael Richardson appears once.
One of the greatest players of all time was triple Brownlow Medalist Haydn Bunton Snr. Bunton was known to average over 30 touches a game during his 119 game 207 goal career. From reading Chris Donald’s book Haydn Bunton- Best and Fairest I read that university students followed him to every match throughout the 1935 season recording his statistics. Bunton kicked 41 goals from 17 matches over the season spending all his time in the midfield. He finished with 598 disposals at an unbelievable average of 35. Bunton also averaged 28 kicks and 8 marks a match.
Bunton’s season average of 142.70 points a game is remarkable considering the highest average since 1965 is 123 by Wayne Richardson. Bunton had 40 or more kicks in four matches. The little champ had a day out in round one picking up 43 kicks kicking five goals against St Kilda. He also had 45 kicks in round 3 against Footscray and backed it up the next week with a 44 kick, four goal performance against North Melbourne. Bunton recorded another 40 kicks in round 14 with 42 kicks against Footscray, the previous week Bunton kicked eight goals against Collingwood at Victoria Park roving all day. Amazingly the superstar was presented the match ball after the game. Bunton polled 25 Brownlow votes from 17 matches on his way to his third Brownlow in only five years.
Player | TM | GM | Year | Pts | Ave | KI | MK | HB | DI | GL | BH | FF | FA |
H. Bunton Snr | FI | 17 | 1935 | 2426 | 142.7 | 486 | 147 | 112 | 598 | 41 | 29 | 71 | 43 |
My statistics explain that Leigh Matthews, Garry Wilson and Wayne Richardson were some of the greatest players to play the game since 1965. The unheralded Richardson only polled 88 Brownlow Votes in 272 matches for the black and white yet accumulated 20 kicks or more in a game 171 times. Richardson only polled more than 10 Brownlow votes once in a season finishing fifth in 1973 with 19 votes.
Unrecognized footballers such as David Clarke and David Thorpe produced seasons that rank higher than superstars such as Gary Ablett Jnr, Simon Black and Nathan Buckley. Clarke won Geelong’s Best and Fairest (Carji Greeves Medal) three times. His first was in his first season at only 19 years of age. The next year Clarke was named to play for Victoria. Thorpe made his debut for Footscray at only 17, and had one of the finest seasons in 1971. Whilst competing with the likes of Ian Stewart, John Murphy and Greg Wells, Thorpe averaged 26 kicks a match including 30 kicks or more in a match seven times. Thorpe’s season average of 112 pales Patrick Dangerfield’s 2016 Brownlow average of 102. Thorpe’s partner in crime in the Bulldogs midfield was George Bisset. A ‘nuggety’ rover at 168cm tall, Bisset averaged 92 throughout his career winning the Bulldogs leading goal-kicking award five times.
John Greening was on the verge of football super stardom when he was crudely king hit by Saints defender Jim O’Dea. Greening was comatose for 24 hours and didn’t regain full consciousness until a few days later. He made his comeback two years later but was never the same player and retired at a relatively young age of 26. Greening up until the incident was in career best form. He was averaging 92 points a game and had polled 14 Brownlow Votes up until round 13. In round nine and ten Greening produced remarkable scores of 197 and 202, with 46 disposals, 10 marks, 6 goals; and 45 disposals, 18 marks, 4 goals, respectively. Greening also scored 180 in the prior year 1971. His statistics from the match against Geelong included 30 kicks 16 marks and 20 handballs. Collingwood’s former superstar full-forward Peter McKenna who kicked 874 goals across 12 seasons with the Pies and Carlton described Greening as brilliant, “He was probably the most talented player I ever played with.”
Amazingly Greening appears on the ‘Highest score in a Match’ list three times. These three scores of 175 or more were recorded before Greening was 21! He joins revered company with Jason Dunstall four times, Peter Hudson three times and Gary Ablett Snr three times as the only players to pass 175 three times or more in a match. More remarkably, Greening only played 106 matches. It’s an indictment that no one really saw what Greening could’ve been if it weren’t for a cruel twist in fate.
With players such as Greening, Clarke, Bisset and Richardson, this template has given us the ability to compare champions of past with the champions of the present and even champions of the future. More surprisingly it’s unveiled a whole host of past stars that the younger generation would never have appreciated.
- Most Points in a Season:
Player | TM | GM | Year | Pts | Ave | KI | MK | HB | DI | GL | BH | FF | FA |
L. Matthews | HW | 24 | 1977 | 2845 | 118 | 514 | 133 | 144 | 658 | 91 | 57 | 74 | 61 |
W. Richardson | CW | 23 | 1971 | 2842 | 123 | 621 | 139 | 134 | 755 | 37 | 33 | 92 | 53 |
D. Swan | CW | 26 | 2010 | 2763 | 106 | 505 | 146 | 315 | 820 | 24 | 23 | 24 | 11 |
P. Hudson | HW | 24 | 1971 | 2648 | 110 | 346 | 180 | 41 | 387 | 150 | 72 | 57 | 41 |
K. Bartlett | RI | 23 | 1977 | 2628 | 114 | 585 | 111 | 80 | 665 | 55 | 33 | 49 | 32 |
G. Wilson | FI | 24 | 1979 | 2626 | 109 | 454 | 139 | 236 | 690 | 46 | 50 | 90 | 41 |
D. Swan | CW | 25 | 2009 | 2600 | 104 | 444 | 161 | 325 | 769 | 18 | 25 | 12 | 10 |
D. Swan | CW | 24 | 2011 | 2599 | 108 | 472 | 129 | 288 | 760 | 32 | 23 | 22 | 17 |
L. Matthews | HW | 23 | 1978 | 2560 | 111 | 463 | 147 | 123 | 586 | 71 | 58 | 66 | 66 |
J. Dunstall | HW | 24 | 1989 | 2549 | 106 | 306 | 207 | 54 | 360 | 138 | 76 | 21 | 23 |
J. Dunstall | HW | 23 | 1992 | 2523 | 109 | 284 | 199 | 59 | 343 | 145 | 84 | 22 | 20 |
D. Martin | RI | 25 | 2017 | 2520 | 100 | 479 | 103 | 265 | 744 | 37 | 29 | 37 | 44 |
T. Wallace | HW | 25 | 1983 | 2518 | 100 | 599 | 81 | 166 | 765 | 19 | 19 | 61 | 48 |
G. Buckenara | HW | 25 | 1986 | 2515 | 100 | 405 | 179 | 184 | 589 | 55 | 53 | 38 | 26 |
D. Swan | CW | 21 | 2012 | 2482 | 118 | 442 | 138 | 283 | 725 | 25 | 22 | 16 | 12 |
B. Goddard | SK | 25 | 2010 | 2480 | 99 | 367 | 172 | 351 | 718 | 24 | 9 | 33 | 25 |
G. Wilson | FI | 22 | 1978 | 2470 | 112 | 453 | 134 | 193 | 646 | 41 | 38 | 80 | 41 |
P. Dangerfield | GE | 24 | 2016 | 2461 | 102 | 387 | 122 | 375 | 762 | 24 | 24 | 46 | 30 |
G. Ablett Jnr | GE | 24 | 2010 | 2454 | 102 | 338 | 106 | 418 | 756 | 44 | 26 | 22 | 26 |
W. Carey | NM | 25 | 1998 | 2447 | 97 | 368 | 193 | 121 | 489 | 80 | 49 | 27 | 34 |
W. Carey | NM | 25 | 1996 | 2442 | 97 | 332 | 200 | 154 | 486 | 82 | 55 | 27 | 36 |
- Highest Average Points in a Season:
Player | TM | GM | Year | Pts | Ave | KI | MK | HB | DI | GL | BH | FF | FA |
W. Richardson | CW | 23 | 1971 | 2842 | 123 | 621 | 139 | 134 | 755 | 37 | 33 | 92 | 53 |
L. Matthews | HW | 24 | 1977 | 2845 | 118 | 514 | 133 | 144 | 658 | 91 | 57 | 74 | 61 |
D. Swan | CW | 21 | 2012 | 2482 | 118 | 442 | 138 | 283 | 725 | 25 | 22 | 16 | 12 |
B. Skilton | SM | 17 | 1968 | 2006 | 118 | 425 | 78 | 119 | 544 | 35 | 17 | 48 | 16 |
K. Bartlett | RI | 23 | 1977 | 2628 | 114 | 585 | 111 | 80 | 665 | 55 | 33 | 49 | 32 |
D. Thorpe | FO | 21 | 1971 | 2369 | 112 | 551 | 126 | 109 | 660 | 9 | 19 | 112 | 65 |
G. Wilson | FI | 22 | 1978 | 2470 | 112 | 453 | 134 | 193 | 646 | 41 | 38 | 80 | 41 |
D. Clarke | GE | 19 | 1973 | 2131 | 112 | 441 | 136 | 36 | 477 | 45 | 29 | 69 | 40 |
L. Matthews | HW | 23 | 1978 | 2560 | 111 | 463 | 147 | 123 | 586 | 71 | 58 | 66 | 66 |
P. Hudson | HW | 24 | 1971 | 2648 | 110 | 346 | 180 | 41 | 387 | 150 | 72 | 57 | 41 |
J. Dunstall | HW | 23 | 1992 | 2523 | 109 | 284 | 199 | 59 | 343 | 145 | 84 | 22 | 20 |
G. Wilson | FI | 24 | 1979 | 2626 | 109 | 454 | 139 | 236 | 690 | 46 | 50 | 90 | 41 |
G. Ablett Snr | GE | 17 | 1993 | 1857 | 109 | 233 | 111 | 13 | 246 | 124 | 60 | 34 | 39 |
T. Lockett | SK | 17 | 1991 | 1856 | 109 | 190 | 140 | 33 | 223 | 127 | 51 | 19 | 32 |
J. Murphy | FI | 13 | 1975 | 1416 | 109 | 291 | 69 | 68 | 359 | 27 | 26 | 52 | 40 |
N. Buckley | CW | 21 | 2000 | 2287 | 109 | 457 | 123 | 163 | 620 | 29 | 34 | 30 | 17 |
P. Hudson | HW | 19 | 1968 | 2068 | 108 | 274 | 113 | 31 | 305 | 125 | 62 | 43 | 10 |
J. Murphy | FI | 21 | 1971 | 2283 | 108 | 517 | 102 | 34 | 551 | 47 | 36 | 107 | 67 |
K. Bartlett | RI | 22 | 1974 | 2390 | 108 | 607 | 48 | 40 | 647 | 47 | 50 | 62 | 49 |
D. Swan | CW | 24 | 2011 | 2599 | 108 | 472 | 129 | 288 | 760 | 32 | 23 | 22 | 17 |
- Highest Career Average 50 or more games:
Player |
Team | Pts | Ave | GM | KI | MK | HB | GL | BH | FF | FA |
B. Skilton | SY | 9664 | 98.6 | 98 | 2101 | 397 | 508 | 139 | 124 | 350 | 154 |
G. Wilson | FI | 25575 | 95.4 | 268 | 4564 | 1349 | 2145 | 452 | 398 | 907 | 471 |
J. Murphy | FI SY NM | 23356 | 95 | 246 | 5276 | 1006 | 774 | 374 | 372 | 985 | 639 |
L. Matthews | HW | 31345 | 94.4 | 332 | 6017 | 1505 | 1357 | 915 | 722 | 793 | 940 |
P. Hudson | HW | 12167 | 94.3 | 129 | 1578 | 782 | 176 | 727 | 330 | 216 | 173 |
D. Swan | CW | 24202 | 93.9 | 258 | 4242 | 1526 | 2686 | 211 | 196 | 185 | 121 |
G. Bisset | FO/CW | 15662 | 92.1 | 170 | 3399 | 651 | 702 | 297 | 217 | 469 | 360 |
N. Buckley | BB CW | 25114 | 89.7 | 280 | 5075 | 1408 | 1812 | 284 | 262 | 336 |
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B. Goggin | GE | 12529 | 88.9 | 141 | 2980 | 418 | 634 | 153 | 153 | 282 | 286 |
D. Clarke | GE/CA | 18627 | 88.3 | 211 | 3969 | 1109 | 536 | 319 | 265 | 547 | 405 |
M. Bairstow | GE | 12749 | 87.3 | 146 | 2613 | 494 | 1137 | 172 | 146 | 213 | 237 |
A. Gallagher | CA/FO/NM | 18844 | 87.2 | 216 | 4453 | 827 | 462 | 270 | 264 | 652 | 456 |
N. Riewoldt | SK | 29125 | 86.7 | 336 | 4051 | 2944 | 1562 | 718 | 455 | 414 | 161 |
J. Birt | ES | 4650 | 86.1 | 54 | 1162 | 119 | 99 | 83 | 61 | 120 | 70 |
G. Wells | ME/CA | 22968 | 86 | 267 | 4890 | 1238 | 1181 | 275 | 331 | 784 | 543 |
D. Martin | RI | 15074 | 85.2 | 177 | 2837 | 713 | 1634 | 185 | 139 | 157 | 250 |
- Most Points in a Career
Player | TM | Pts* | Ave | GM | KI | MK | HB | GL | BH | FF | FA |
K. Bartlett | RI | 35373 | 87.8 | 403 | 8293 | 1086 | 858 | 778 | 777 | 931 | 856 |
B. Harvey | NM | 32745 | 75.8 | 432 | 5687 | 1689 | 3526 | 518 | 334 | 394 | 271 |
L. Matthews | HW | 31345 | 94.4 | 332 | 6017 | 1505 | 1357 | 915 | 722 | 793 | 940 |
R. Harvey | SK | 31077 | 81.1 | 383 | 5648 | 1514 | 4008 | 215 | 200 | 352 | 267 |
B. Johnson | WB | 29627 | 81.4 | 364 | 5121 | 2153 | 2051 | 558 | 355 | 275 | 275 |
C. Bradley | CA | 29171 | 77.8 | 375 | 5876 | 1317 | 2900 | 247 | 192 | 521 | 403 |
M. Tuck | HW | 29159 | 68.4 | 426 | 6353 | 1222 | 2070 | 320 | 325 | 956 | 907 |
N. Riewoldt | SK | 29125 | 86.7 | 336 | 4051 | 2944 | 1562 | 718 | 455 | 414 | 161 |
B. Quinlan | WB/FI | 28418 | 77.6 | 366 | 4849 | 2025 | 1200 | 817 | 612 | 599 | 717 |
M. Pavlich | FR | 27128 | 76.8 | 353 | 4132 | 2046 | 1977 | 700 | 435 | 342 | 337 |
P. Roos | FI/ SY | 27115 | 76.2 | 356 | 4588 | 2140 | 2409 | 289 | 216 | 518 | 355 |
S. Mitchell | HW/WC | 26327 | 80 | 329 | 4532 | 1296 | 4155 | 71 | 63 | 464 | 420 |
A. Goodes | SY | 26259 | 70.6 | 372 | 4351 | 2038 | 2039 | 464 | 284 | 356 | 410 |
I. Nankervis | GE | 25815 | 79.4 | 325 | 5540 | 1248 | 1739 | 203 | 199 | 1081 | 525 |
G. Wilson | FI | 25575 | 95.4 | 268 | 4564 | 1349 | 2145 | 452 | 398 | 907 | 471 |
B. Goddard | SK/ ES | 25217 | 81 | 312 | 4062 | 1966 | 3054 | 157 | 111 | 245 | 273 |
N. Buckley | BB/ CW | 25114 | 89.7 | 280 | 5075 | 1408 | 1812 | 284 | 262 | 336 | 261 |
G. Dempsey | WB/NM | 24995 | 76 | 329 | 3997 | 2906 | 1563 | 144 | 140 | 923 | 767 |
W. Richardson | CW | 24981 | 90.2 | 277 | 5829 | 1208 | 721 | 323 | 364 | 813 | 687 |
G. Ablett Jnr | GE/ GC | 24963 | 82.7 | 302 | 4009 | 954 | 3674 | 386 | 296 | 418 | 304 |
S. West | WB | 24816 | 76.6 | 324 | 4129 | 1057 | 4093 | 104 | 105 | 584 | 241 |
S. Loewe | SK | 24503 | 76.3 | 321 | 3366 | 2503 | 1493 | 594 | 410 | 493 | 557 |
T. Shaw | CW | 24348 | 77.8 | 313 | 4587 | 1121 | 3045 | 157 | 141 | 600 | 549 |
J. Bartel | GE | 24298 | 79.7 | 305 | 3966 | 1678 | 2990 | 202 | 130 | 354 | 310 |
C. Enright | GE | 24233 | 73 | 332 | 4238 | 1836 | 2845 | 66 | 46 | 151 | 272 |
D. Swan | CW | 24202 | 94 | 258 | 4242 | 1526 | 2686 | 211 | 196 | 185 | 121 |
- Highest Score in a Match:
Player | TM | Pts | KI | MK | HB | GL | BH | FF | FA | Game | |
J. Dunstall | HW | 247 | 25 | 18 | 4 | 17 | 5 | 5 | 2 | v RI, 1992 | |
K. Templeton | FO | 222 | 25 | 16 | 15 | 9 | 3 | 3 | v SK, 1978 | ||
L. Matthews | HW | 220 | 38 | 9 | 3 | 11 | 3 | 6 | 2 | v ES, 1973 | |
P. McKenna | CW | 213 | 22 | 15 | 1 | 16 | 4 | 1 | 1 | v SM, 1969 | |
P. Hudson | HW | 213 | 27 | 12 | 16 | 1 | 1 | v ME, 1969 | |||
G. Ablett Snr | GE | 213 | 26 | 14 | 4 | 14 | 2 | 1 | 2 | v RI, 1989 | |
W. Richardson | CW | 210 | 38 | 15 | 9 | 5 | 5 | 2 | v SM, 1970 | ||
T. Lockett | SK | 207 | 20 | 18 | 15 | 4 | 1 | v SY, 1992 | |||
G. Ablett Snr | GE | 206 | 25 | 12 | 14 | 7 | 6 | 2 | v ES, 1993 | ||
J. Dunstall | HW | 204 | 22 | 16 | 5 | 12 | 6 | 2 | v RI, 1992 | ||
J. Dunstall | HW | 202 | 21 | 17 | 3 | 12 | 8 | 3 | 1 | v ES, 1992 | |
J. Greening | CW | 202 | 32 | 18 | 13 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 2 | v SM, 1972 | |
J. Dunstall | HW | 200 | 19 | 16 | 4 | 14 | 2 | 2 | 1 | v FO, 1996 | |
P. Hudson | HW | 199 | 22 | 15 | 4 | 13 | 2 | 2 | 2 | v SM, 1970 | |
J. Longmire | NM | 199 | 22 | 18 | 1 | 12 | 5 | 1 | 1 | v RI, 1990 | |
M. Lloyd | ES | 198 | 22 | 14 | 4 | 13 | 4 | v SY, 1999 | |||
W. Carey | NM | 198 | 22 | 15 | 9 | 11 | 2 | 1 | v ME, 1996 | ||
P. Featherby | GE | 198 | 40 | 11 | 8 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | v ME, 1981 | |
P. McKenna | CW | 197 | 22 | 18 | 1 | 12 | 5 | 1 | 3 | v ES, 1970 | |
J. Greening | CW | 197 | 35 | 10 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 3 | 2 | v GE, 1972 | |
D. Wade | GE | 195 | 21 | 13 | 4 | 13 | 7 | 5 | 5 | v SM, 1967 | |
N. Riewoldt | SK | 195 | 24 | 21 | 2 | 9 | 1 | 1 | v BL, 2016 | ||
T. Lockett | SY | 194 | 18 | 12 | 3 | 16 | 4 | 2 | v FI, 1995 | ||
P. Hudson | HW | 190 | 20 | 17 | 1 | 13 | 2 | 3 | v SM, 1969 | ||
B. Brownless | GE | 189 | 23 | 14 | 4 | 11 | 4 | 2 | 2 | v BB, 1991 | |
Ma. Richardson | RI | 189 | 24 | 21 | 4 | 7 | 5 | 2 | 3 | v FI, 1996 | |
Mi. Richardson | CW | 189 | 24 | 15 | 15 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 4 | v SK, 1983 | |
G. Smith | SY | 188 | 29 | 12 | 15 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | v SK, 1982 | |
W. Richardson | CW | 187 | 40 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 1 | v CA, 1971 | |
B. Skilton | SM | 187 | 44 | 10 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1 | v SK, 1967 | |
G. Ablett Snr | GE | 185 | 20 | 11 | 1 | 14 | 5 | 2 | 1 | v SY, 1994 | |
T. Modra | AD | 185 | 23 | 10 | 1 | 13 | 4 | 4 | 2 | v RI, 1993 | |
P. Salmon | ES | 185 | 22 | 15 | 11 | 4 | 4 | v RI, 1986 | |||
D. Wade | GE | 185 | 22 | 14 | 2 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 2 | v FO, 1969 | |
Ma. Richardson | RI | 185 | 21 | 19 | 3 | 9 | 5 | v ES, 2006 | |||
B. Skilton | SM | 185 | 36 | 7 | 6 | 7 | 1 | 1 | v SK, 1968 | ||
G. Williams | SY | 185 | 25 | 5 | 28 | 6 | 1 | 2 | v SK, 1989 | ||
L. Franklin | HW | 184 | 22 | 11 | 1 | 13 | 4 | 3 | 2 | v NM, 2012 | |
D. Tuddenham | CW | 184 | 29 | 7 | 11 | 9 | 1 | 2 | 3 | v FO, 1971 | |
B. Lake | WB | 184 | 35 | 22 | 6 | 1 | v NM, 2010 | ||||
S. Cummings | WC | 183 | 17 | 15 | 1 | 14 | 1 | 1 | 1 | v AD, 2000 | |
B. Ryan | GE | 183 | 24 | 18 | 4 | 8 | 5 | 1 | 5 | v FO, 1971 | |
B. Ryan | GE | 183 | 26 | 18 | 6 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 6 | v NM, 1971 | |
G. Parke | ME | 182 | 28 | 24 | 9 | 1 | 2 | v ES, 1970 | |||
G. Wells | ME | 181 | 35 | 16 | 13 | 1 | 1 |
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L. Matthews | HW | 180 | 30 | 9 | 8 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 5 | v GE, 1977 | |
J. Greening | CW | 180 | 30 | 16 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | v GE, 1971 | |
J. Bowden | RI | 180 | 32 | 23 | 7 | 1 | v PA, 2008 | ||||
P. Dangerfield | GE | 177 | 27 | 13 | 21 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 1 | v NM, 2016 | |
L. Montagna | SK | 177 | 34 | 12 | 13 | 2 | 1 | v FR, 2013 | |||
J. Longmire | NM | 176 | 17 | 11 | 3 | 14 | 2 | 1 | 1 | v ME, 1990 | |
H. McAuliffe | SM | 175 | 34 | 6 | 3 | 7 | 2 | 7 | 2 | v ME, 1969 | |
D. Tuddenham | CW | 175 | 27 | 14 | 13 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | v ESS, 1971 |
About Sam Harvey
To celebrate the stars, skills, stats and stories of the past that have been long forgotten. ‘Bell at a GOAT’ is inspired by my Papa’s great skill at butchering the English language. We believe he was trying to say bull at a gate!
Tour deforce de excel !!
Magnificent.
No surprise re: D Swan.
Miss you, swanny.
http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/miss-you-dane-swan/
The fullbacks ignored again. How good was Geoff Southby?
However, this is a brilliant exercise.
Very interesting, great work team! Have you had a look at trying to control for the era in which the footy was played? For example, the first game of Round 1 of 1975 saw a total of 555 disposals and 75 free kicks paid. The first game of Round 1 2017 saw 700 disposals and 37 free kicks. If this was to be true across the season (I have no idea whether it is) it could be argued that a disposal in 2017 is worth substantially less than a disposal in 1975 and a free kick substantially more.
A bold attempt but measuring greatness by numbers is always problematic and there are a few obvious flaws with this system. It clearly favours big goalkickers and high possession winners and, as Dips points out, ignores great defenders who typically are neither. I also think it’s debatable to ascribe 2 points for handballs consistently over an era when handball has changed from being a tactic of last resort to being a lethal offensive weapon. It’s hard to argue about the standing of most of those heading the overall points tally except to say it obviously favours those with extreme longevity in the game. It’s good to see there are at least a couple of defenders on this list but, consistency and durability aside, Ian Nankervis and Corey Enright are hardly the first names that spring to mind when thinking of the greatest defenders of the last 50 years. Above all, numerical ranking systems never take into account that ephemeral quality of “influence”, which often has nothing to do with measurable things like kicks and goals. So under this system, we see Jason Dunstall figure 4 times in the “greatest individual games” list, yet his great partner in crime Dermott Brereton doesn’t get a look in. Or we have Wayne Richardson figuring prominently over a long distinguished career, but as part of a Collingwood side that routinely failed its biggest tests, while masterful Carlton defenders of the same era – Doull, Southby etc – are ignored. And if Dustin Martin’s 2017 season is only the 12th best by total points score and not even on the list by average points per game, words fail me….
Great work guys. This proves what I’ve always suspected – nothing comes close to Lethal’s season in ’77. 658 possessions and 91 goals as a midfielder/forward. Wow!
This is sensational stuff. Well done to all.
But I do agree with Dips: what value the defender?
Wasn’t Featherby’s game 43 kicks and 8 handballs?
Modelling exercises are based on assumptions.
As Dave Brown alludes to, this one is a good starter but needs to take into account many more nuances.
Having said that, what does this preliminary exercise show in finals?
The thing with Feathers Flynny, is that you have to decide whether punting the ball 3 metres with your foot is a kick. I mean clearly it is but the stats man at Subi told my dad once he had stopped counting the ones that went less than 10 feet.
Great stuff Sam & co