Q: Leunig, the Richmond list and American Hustle. A: Things that are massively over-rated

Recent articles by respected AFL commentators Leigh Matthews and Matthew Lloyd have called into question the value of ruckmen and Cyril Rioli respectively. In both cases, they felt that their value and overall performance was over-rated.

Debate continues to rage about ruckmen like Sandilands, who wins tap outs that don’t go to advantage or result in clearances, and Nic Nat, who receives plaudits for very few possessions. Lloyd also felt that for all Cyril’s undoubted ability and flashes of brilliance, he didn’t contribute enough when compared to his talent (although he immediately answered with a stunning performance and we will see his value to the team through his injury absence).

Regardless of where you stand on these two issues, you have to admire the stance taken. It is a brave person that will be a stand-alone voice, and say something is overrated when so many see it as wonderful.

Since Saturday, plenty of articles have already been written on the Richmond performance. It is therefore pretty obvious to say that one of the most over-rated things in footy today is the Richmond list.

I believe that discussion on this area should be extended. With that, in AFL and life in general, here is my side of 22 things (including a sub) that are overrated:

  1. Leunig cartoons
  2. Q&A
  3. Nick Riewoldt
  4. Twitter
  5. The debate over which is a better city, Sydney or Melbourne
  6. Coffee (and baristas in general)
  7. Tom Scully
  8. Certain players who are becoming free agents at the end of this year, and who assume their salaries will increase by about $200K as a result. There are some seriously average players who suddenly become the next Ablett just around trade time.
  9. Chris Lilley *
  10. Things that go ‘viral’
  11. The Shinboner spirit
  12. The ongoing debate about food prices at the football. (Has this only just occurred to the AFL since Andy D sat outside a corporate box and bought his kids some hot chips? Has anyone been to an airport recently? Food has always been expensive at the football. Captive audiences mean expensive food. What a surprise when stadium and catering deals were done when the AFL Commission was run by the guy who also ran Spotless. Expect a lot of noise and absolutely nothing concrete to occur in bringing down the price of absolutely anything related to the in-ground experience of going to a game. Nothing. Here’s a tip: bring a sandwich, or try to last 3 hours without a pie or burger. And who is buying their little kids so much soft drink anyway!)
  13. Kale
  14. Johnny Football
  15. Harry Kewell
  16. American Hustle
  17. The shock and faux anger related to the comments of Sam Newman. What a surprise, he has radical and outrageous views! He’s called fossil for a reason, move on people, don’t give him air space.
  18. Macaroons
  19. Vue de Monde and degustation dining in general
  20. Cheap handballs and repeated short kick and uncontested possessions that relate to Fantasy points and therefore elevate some players to levels of greatness that don’t correlate to their contribution to a team’s overall success
  21. The view of the AFL that Grand Final pre-game entertainment adds to the aura of the Grand Final and encourages any extra viewership
  22. (Sub) Columns about things that are over-rated

*I think Lilley is a brilliant and brave comedian, but I just don’t like his shows

About Sean Curtain

"He was born with a gift of laughter, and a sense that the world was mad". First line of 'Scaramouche' by Sabatini, always liked that.

Comments

  1. Peter_B says:

    Too true Sean. I feel like joining you as some sort of Almanac Statler and Waldorf grumbling from the galleries.
    I enjoyed the last weekend so much because my team didn’t play. Nothing to make me anxious beforehand, and relieved or despondent after. So why do I do it? Fish swim.
    I’m with you on all but coffee and American Hustle. Kewell and Leunig were good in their day; but they spent a lot of time living on their past reputation.
    I would add HBO Crime Dramas. Fargo, Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire (after Series 1) – if I want to watch gore and amorality – I’ll watch the Joe Hockey.

  2. Malcolm Ashwood says:

    V good and entertaining , Sean but I better go and have a coffee inc the standard of the game overall , rules committee and umpiring especially the roulette holding the ball and ruck infringement free kicks each week . I totally agree re point 21
    Thanks Sean

  3. rabid dog says:

    The Crows, and anything to do with them. Where’s Richmond on the list? Lara Bingle. And the ex-Swans’ owner wife(s). There’s a WHOLE column just on what I think is over-rated!!!

  4. Tony Tea says:

    Things that most everyone likes, but are really sh1t Number One: live music.

  5. I’d tell #22 to ditch the sub’s vest and get out into the middle and toss the coin, because there’s not many things more over-rated than the word ‘over-rated’, but if forced to contribute I’ll throw in the 1977 Punk ‘Phenomenon’ and Johnny Rotten saying e few naughty words on telly and Saving Music (if not the world).

  6. Tony Tea says:

    Apart from boxing, any sport without a ball.

  7. Simon Bogli says:

    Disagree on Tom Scully.

    I think the only organization that has overrated him was the AFL.

    (Thank you first round draft pick )

    Re: Cyril Rioli.

    Lloyd is obsessed with possession counts as some paramount indicia of quality. For a full forward who didn’t get a helluva of the ball but had an impact, you would think he would sympathetic to fellow game changers who do not have a significantly measurable statistical impact.

  8. Mark 'Swish' Schwerdt says:

    Sean – I’m in curmudgeonly agreement with most of your list, although I’m

    softening re 3),
    enjoying my belated foray into 4)
    120% behind you re 7) and in fact would add 7a) APS sport in general

    Rick N – the “Punk Phenomenom” was to music what Gough Whitlam was to Australian. Make up your own mind if this was a good thing or not.

    Rabid Dog – sports medicine is overrated (cough medicine is underrated)

  9. Re ruckmen and hit-outs: Harry Madden played in two winning and two losing GFs and after both losers I found myself in animated discussions with other fans who thought Harry winning 90% of the knockouts but ramming most of them down the throat of the nearest opposition little bloke was the fault of Braddles and co for not being in the right spot. Yeah right, they had to read Madden’s mind but be stuffed if he was going to use his eyes to find them, and try and put the ball into the same postcode!

    Both times the bloke doing most of the arguing was six-five at least. Guess where he played his footy?

    Punk was to music what Mal Brown (just on Open Mike – damn! I missed it) was to Richmond, or what Pauline Hanson was to Oz politics. There’s some quote from Macbeth about noise and fury and signifying diddly-squat….

  10. Mark 'Swish' Schwerdt says:

    Think you meant this Rick ?

  11. David Zampatti says:

    Soccer.

    And things with “West” in their names (apart from West Perth).

  12. Next to Macaroons, I’d place cup cakes. These are gathering ridiculous popularity and weird cultural prominence across Asia. At kids’ parties they’re not completely eaten. Might as well ice and decorate brussel sprouts and offer those.

    Well done Sean.

  13. MGLFerguson says:

    6a. Modern cocktails: “The Babs In Spring: ‘Spring/summer’ Green Hat gin (made with cherry blossom petals and three kinds of citrus peels); sherry; lemon juice; bitters; garnish with a burned stalk of lemongrass.”

    I’ll take my gin (a) neat, or (b) with either vermouth or tonic, please.

  14. Mark 'Swish' Schwerdt says:

    Well spotted Mickey, a few chains selling $4.50 cupcakes going under recently in these parts.

  15. Peter_B says:

    David Z – I will ring the Editor of the West Australian today and let him know your views.

  16. Bob Speechley says:

    I cannot agree with including Leunig on your list of the over-rated. He continues to provide a point of view which on reflection is enlightening. Most of football journalism doesn’t entail deep thought and isn’t thought provoking whatsoever. The Footy Almanac has more to offer than mainstream journalism with the exception of Greg Baum. American Hustle is another that I don’t think is overrated.

  17. Chris Weaver says:

    Mark Nicholas, SBS, Nic Natanui, Travis Cloke, craft beer, Wuthering Heights (the book – not the song), Beyonce, Glenn Maxwell, Mark Webber, Brett Deledio, Django Unchained, journalism degrees, David Beckham, Greg Norman, John Worsfold’s coaching, the Australian Greens, talkback radio, Peter Hellier, ‘Before The Game’, Mick Molloy, Bob Dylan, ‘Bloods Culture’.

  18. Andrew Starkie says:

    Rhonda Burchmore; Tom Harley; Catcher in the Rye; ch7’s footy telecast

  19. Hey Sean

    Riewoldt at number 3? Wow, I would have expected you’d have him at 1. I’m glad you didn’t, though. The way I see it, your issues with his standing as a champion is taking years of your life (and what a way to go eh? A brain aneurysm over Nick Riewoldt. Shit, you’re better than that.)

    Keep em coming ole chum and should you ever find a way of letting this Rierwoldt thing go, let me know. I’d like to adopt the therapy to deal with my loathing of Bon Jovi)_

  20. Chris

    Bob Dylan!!!!!! For shame. You may as well say you don’t like a sunny day.

  21. Rick Kane says:

    Hi Sean

    The pot has well and truly been stirred.

    My two cents? Replace Twitter with LinkedIn and def replace American Hustle with The Dallas Buyers Club.

    Hey, Ricn – Punk and The Pistols over-rated? Take the cloth out.

    Cheers

  22. Andrew Starkie says:

    The Logies? Carl Stefanovic? Hang on, no one rated him in the first place.

  23. Richie Benaud
    Mick Malthouse
    Titanic – The Movie and as it turned out, the Boat
    The Doors/Jim Morrison. If he wasn’t dead nobody would know who they were.
    AFL strategy
    Soccer Managers
    2.5 Men
    The Big Bang Theory
    Kevin Petersen
    Microsoft
    Mick Molloy
    Dave Hughes
    Dave O’Neil
    The Chaser
    Nicole Kidman

  24. Got your back on the Pistols, Rick. Absolute white hot genius. For shame again for those who call it over-rated.

  25. American hard rock band KISS. Didn’t like ‘em when I was thirteen. Still don’t.

  26. Simon Willcox says:

    Boy Bands
    Closure
    Everybody who thinks Demetriou did a great job now he is gone
    The lack of book and record shops
    Multiple screen watchers
    Recording stuff on your phone rather than being in the moment
    Meaningless lists

    Leunig is a true genius
    He was underrated for so long
    It is great to think he is over rated now

  27. Skip of Skipton says:

    Reasonable list, Sean, and hoping you are right about no.11 if only for this Friday night.

    Tom Scully is the true genius, not Leunig.

  28. Dave Brown says:

    TV coverage of team song in the changerooms in any game that is not a final, an upset or won by more than two goals

    Describing players as underrated – usually means commentators are calling a player from an interstate team or an unfashionable Victorian team

  29. saint66 says:

    Can’t agree with Riewoldt, and my daughter makes beautiful cupcakes that everyone loves and eats every bit.

  30. I’m with Mickey R inasmuch as I didn’t and don’t get KISS – no, sod that all-capitals bulldust, they’d still be a load of old bilge-water even if it really did stand for Knights In Service of bloody Satan, Kiss will do just fine.

    With the Doors it’s a bit harder – yes Jimbo was a tosser of Olympian standard, and their fans are incredibly irritating, but their actual music was never the worst of its genre, and Riders on the Storm, frinst, has a genuine atmosphere of menace even though (or because?) it was 10 years too soon to get the Russel Mulcahy smart-arse video clip (about which it’s best to just not get me started….)

    Marijuana (or however the Cool People are spelling it this month), any takers?

  31. Mark 'Swish' Schwerdt says:

    Geoff Hayward apparently was

  32. Likewise Jock Riley.

    A pre-emptive strike roughly on the same issue:

    It seems it has been ‘hip’ ever since about 1931 to tag David Williamson with the O word. To such people I say, phooey! Sure Dave’s output is a tad, or even a tad more than a tad uneven, but Shakespeare also had his share of crap (some of which has almost never been performed) among his Hamlets and Othellos and 12th Nights.

  33. Easiest way to form a judgement re Leunig is to stack up seven of his collections and page through them and see how many are insightful. For me, most.

    Hugely creative, in my view, and genuinely able to stand outside the bubble, as hard as that sounds.

    I’m a fan.

    Interesting re Q and A. I’d love to see Leunig on Q and A. My guess is that he would find it a measure of the moment.

  34. Mathilde de Hauteclocque says:

    Have to disagree on coffee and baristas. Their value is, like Cyril’s, most recognisable in their absence. (My North Melbourne barista has been AWOL for 3 weeks!)

    Have to agree with macarons as you know them. There is however a traditional Basque macaron called a Mouchou (pronounced moo-shu), an altogether uncoloured and unpretentious affair, single storey with an intentionally cracked surface, concocted largely from almond meal and made to melt hearts. Get thee to the Pyrenees and try it.

  35. Tony Tea says:

    Something Wild.

  36. Tony Tea says:

    Boy bands are over rated? I don’t know one person who rates them at all.

  37. Rick Kane says:

    Whimsical Leunig very good, judge and jury Leunig, not so much.

    Def over rated:
    The Smiths
    Queen
    The Pixies
    Summer
    Democracy
    Violent Femmes
    Meat pies
    Nirvana
    Radiohead
    Red Hot Chilli Peppers
    Bon Jovi
    Perth

  38. Peter_B says:

    Rick – This is doubtless the band “Perth County Conspiracy” that you refer to. Personally I loved that early 70’s country rock.
    “More than a band, PCC was part of a movement, an experiment in ways of living and working together.”
    I guess you’re just one of those Perth refugees eking out a living in Drab City.

  39. Matt Zurbo says:

    Sean, I thought, “Okay, I’ll probably agree with about, what, 50%? But agreed with all bar one. Needless to say, I thought, a ripper piece!!!

  40. Augie March.

    You’re welcome.

  41. Oops

    Can I edit or add to my own list??

    Offspring (Ch 10 show not California punk-surf band)
    Kate Langbroek

  42. Leunig is brilliant.

    The Project is not.

  43. Rick K.

    It’s Pixies, not The Pixies.

    And it is impossible to over-rate them.

  44. Dennis Gedling says:

    Glitter Cannons at Trophy Presentations.

    And while I’m here Leadership Groups and Art Critics.

  45. Simon Willcox says:

    Wish I’d thought of putting Kate Langbroek before
    Well done Sean

  46. Rick Kane says:

    Hi PB, gee, you could have just posted side one, which only goes for 27 minutes! I listened to 5 mins and that was enough. Deep lyrics, such as: “You’ve got to know what the universe will show, you’ve got to show what the universe will know … leading you blind” was too much for me. Then I read this on wikipedia: They lived together as a commune. Sounds like Perth.

    I’ll take Drab City every time!

    Hi MOC

    I do apologise for including the definitive article in the band’s name. As you know, the definitive article is used to point out something specific. There is nothing specific (or special) about the pixies, IMHFO. Mind you I do like FB’s song, I wanna live on an Abstract Plain

    Cheers

  47. Tony Tea says:

    Peal Jam. Just crap.

  48. Tony Tea says:

    Peal? Pearl.

  49. Over rated stuff … my 2 bobs worth

    The Rolling Stones – Brilliant, brilliant songs, but the Stone’s aren’t well rounded. I mean, Mick sings about women as though they’re all strippers and prostitutes. Can’t get through a whole album of that.
    .
    Bruce Springsteen – Brilliant, brilliant songs, but the Boss is a little too blue collar. Also, in his early records, he vocalizes like he’s running out of breath.

    Mark Doyle – As hatemongers go, he was bush league. Surely we could attract some A graders to this site (if we haven’t already?)

    Conspiracy theories where climate change deniers venture we read in to the property purchases of ex PM’s – Need I even expand on that?

    Craig Little’s tirades against Bryce Gibbs – Sure he goes the elbow, but if really wants to win me over, he should sink in the boot as well

    Wishing merry Xmas in the workplace – Christians, you won’t miss it once you grasp its politically incorrectness (or is it incorrectedness?)

    Jesus – A couple of miracles and a resurrection? Pfff, Science put a man on the moon.

    Michael Viljoen’s attack on Darwin – I’ve heard way better.

    The Richmond theme song – Footscray’s original is infinitely superior

    The Almanac’s Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters membership – What was it … ‘You get an almanac, a smoke flare and a packet of Nodoz to keep you from nodding off at the A league snorefests.’ OK, not bad, but where’s the vuvuzela?

  50. (some more!! + correcting some typos)

    Over rated stuff … my 2 bobs worth

    The Rolling Stones – Brilliant, brilliant songs, but the Stone’s aren’t well rounded. I mean, Mick sings about women as though they’re all strippers and prostitutes. Can’t get through a whole album of that.
    .
    Bruce Springsteen – Brilliant, brilliant songs, but the Boss is a little too blue collar. Also, in his early records, he vocalizes like he’s running out of breath.

    Mark Doyle – As hatemongers go, he was bush league. Surely we could attract some A graders to this site (if we haven’t already?)

    Conspiracy theories where climate change deniers venture we read in to the property purchases of ex PM’s – Need I even expand on that?

    Craig Little’s tirades against Bryce Gibbs – Sure he goes the elbow, but if really wants to win me over, he should sink in the boot as well

    Wishing merry Xmas in the workplace – Christians, you won’t miss it once you grasp its political incorrectness (or is it incorrectedness?)

    Jesus – A couple of miracles and a resurrection? Pfff, Science put a man on the moon.

    Michael Viljoen’s attack on Darwin – I’ve heard way better.

    The Richmond theme song – Footscray’s original is infinitely superior.

    The Almanac’s Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters membership – What was it … ‘You get an almanac, a smoke flare and a packet of Nodoz to keep you from nodding off at the A league’s snorefests.’ OK, not bad, but where’s the vuvuzela?

    Old suburban footy grounds – Cramped, exposed, poorly designed and with the wiffiest toilets this side of the Pecos. Why people are nostalgic about them I’ll never know.

    And one for you Sean!

    Fleur Daniel – Again, need I expand on that!

  51. Oh … just on Craig’s tirades against Bryce, I hope that was taken as a criticism of the great man’s whole body of work. Like there’s no bigger fan of Craig than me. What I meant was he goes a little too easy on Gibb’s by my reckoning. Just want to make that clear.

  52. Peter_B says:

    T Bone : “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” Luke 6:41.

  53. C’mon Peter, just having a bit of fun with it. The way I see it, some people have made some outrageous comments on this site and they should be big enough to be ribbed about them. That’s all it’s about for me. Anyway, love the quote. You’ve nailed me there. Yes, there’s a plank. And it’s a wonder I can see past it to criticize the sawdust in others.

  54. Peter_B says:

    Fair enough T Bone. In the spirit of Pax Romanus, I thought I would share with Almanackers an email I sent Mark Doyle a week ago. I was updating my contacts list when I came across some of our past repartee.
    COME BACK MARK DOYLE – THE ALMANAC NEEDS YOU.
    “Hi Mark,
    Just wondered if you were thinking about coming back to writing or commenting on the site again. You expressed yourself strongly, but always entertainingly. And I know you copped a lot of shit in return (including from me on occasions).
    I help with the editing part time now, and would run a stronger ruler over what gets said.
    Anyway I just saw your name on an email list, and thought I would drop you a note.
    In our age of the bland leading the bland, in politics as in sport, we need forthright opinions.
    Regards,
    Peter B”

  55. Well done, Peter: as worthwhile a use of an olive branch as there’s been. And Mark (if you’re out there!), on you being Bush league … that was just my jealous streak showing its ugly head. Am a great admirer.

  56. Still waiting for Ian Syson to take up the soccer membership, and to re-name it.

    That was his suggestion.

  57. Skip of Skipton says:

    Stanley Kubrick “put a man on the moon”, science boy.

  58. Mark 'Swish' Schwerdt says:

    T-Bone, I can take or leave Bruuuuce too, but if blue collar isn’t your go, who are the white collar tunesmiths?

    Legendary Elizabeth punk band The Accountants had the right moniker, but not the sounds of the office.

    The Clash found that Career Opportunities never knocked, The Jam’s Smithers-Jones got the flick.

    Perhaps Taxman by the Fab Four? Sheena Easton / Dolly Parton maybe?

  59. This is a meaningless discussion! 1 August 2013. (MD)

  60. Peter_B says:

    Swish has asked me to explain Mark Doyle as he was before Swish’s time on the site. I can only recommend the Doyle intros in Les’ article and the attached comments.
    http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/opening-sentence-the-work-of-mark-doyle/
    COME BACK MARK; THE ALMANAC NEEDS YOU.

  61. I miss Mark Doyle

  62. Thanks for straightening me out about that Skip of Skipton … boy. Don’t know what the hell you mean, though (Kubrick was in on the hoax??)

    Mark, my taste is all over the place. And I think very highly of Bruce and the Stone’s too. Just don’t rate them as highly as other folks.

  63. The Wrap. says:

    This list sure fills in the time waiting for the Football to start again, eh?

    You’re losing ground on Leunig Sean. It’s easy to pick the devotees who have followed him through outrageous and unashamed youth, through the melancholia of his middle years to the wisdom of age weariness. May I quote the 1st Earl of Lytton – Genius does what it must. Talent does what it can.

    How about adding the creep of weasel words into Football? ‘The playing group’ is fingers scraping down a blackboard for me. (which is something Gen X & Y would never experienced) What ever happened to The Boys, or The Lads? Or even The Team, or The Players.

    Then there’s Julia Gillard’s legacy from her premiership – ‘moving forward’. Just once can we hear that the playing group is moving backwards. In fact they could have it as a slogan pinned up in the locker room at Punt Road.

    And T-Bone, before you get us all buried in a mudslide of litigation – alleged miracles. Please.

    PS – Hands up those who miss Before The Game.

  64. The Wrap. says:

    Overrated? How about the Brownlow medal. When it was first struck it was awarded to The Fairest & Best. The Fairest & Best in a game that was brutal by nature, and often quite thuggish. Captain Blood stood out, but he wasn’t on his pat malone. (After all, he was only protecting Richmond Rovers) The Brownlow represented what was skilful and artistic, and let it be said, pure in Our Great Game. Look at the previous winners. Just take the triple medal winners – Bunton, Skilton & Stewart. They balanced courage with sublime skills. It was said, as significant and skilful as he was, Ronald Dale would never win one. He accepted that judgement with pride. When they awarded it to Dipper & Diesel it lost its meaning.

    How about we replace Leunig cartoons with The Brownlow medal. Sean?

  65. Wrapster

    as the boys on the podcast said, “if you want an audience, start a fight”. Have loved seeing the repartee and defending going on.

    Actually was worried there’d be more vitriol towards the over ratedness of Nick R than Leunig, M.

    However, I’ll not cave on the cartoonist, he stays very much on teh list, and whilst I haven’t listed in order, he’s close to teh top for mine!

    Moving forward? Absolutely, the most over used and meaningless work we’ve got in corporate and political life

    Yes, Before the Game, which was great, is getting better and better each week it isn’t on and 7 try that lame imitation rubbish. 7 is weird and upside down, they do comedy when they try to be serous, and bland when they try to do comedy.

    Sean

  66. Rick Kane says:

    Hi T Bone

    How are you? You’re missed at the office.

    I have to call you on your Springsteen nomination. (And on The Stones, but I’ll stick with Bruce).

    I would contest that Bruce is anything but “massively over-rated”. On what grounds of his artistic output is he massively over-rated? His first 8 recordings (from Greetings to Tunnel of Love) have 8 very different sound-scapes to them. Not many artists can lay claim to that, especially in a genre as basic as rock.

    You might not be a fan of his lyrics and themes but that doesn’t mean he’s over-rated. I could bring up any number of songs to show Bruce as a literate and poetic artist, Rather than go for a great song, I’ll choose a lesser known song. The reason being, that even his lesser songs hold up pretty well against other lyricists best.

    In the song “Matamoras Banks” (from Devils and Dust) he looks at a man’s life (an asylum seeker trying to get across the border in search of a better life). The songs starts with the man’s death and works back from there to the man dreaming to meet his wife again. It is a compelling and quite moving tale, all the more so for the way in which it is written. Springsteen has many, many songs that are this good and better.

    Certainly, his concerts are not over-rated. There’s a reason his concerts go for 3 to 4 hours. He has the songs, the band, the musicianship and the performance skills. That doesn’t mean he’s the best singer or performer in Rock. But he aint over-rated.

    He has been performing this type of concert since the early 70s. Back when most big artists would hardly give you an hour, Bruce was giving over three hours. Every night! His popularity grew by word of mouth. That is, people like you and me seeing his show, being blown away and telling others. That is hardly over-rated. Not only does he do the 3 hour show but he changes up to three quarters of the set list on a nightly basis. Man, that is treating the fan base with respect. Most artists might change two or three songs … over a tour.

    As for the working man shtick. That was not my entry into Bruce and it has never been a measure of his value. His lyrics and themes and concerts are about community and fairness and celebration, values that don’t have a class divide.

    In the big broad church of popular music there are many a band and artist that can be considered massively over-rated. Bruce aint one on them.

    Cheers

  67. Rick, love your passion for the Boss’s standing as a highly rated artist. Of course, it’s deserved: Bruce is undoubtedly one of the greats, and when I’ve connected with his stuff, it’s been as electrifying as anything I’ve come across. So you know what? I’m happy to retract my contention. Let’s just say, I don’t rate him as highly as others and leave it at that, yes?

    PS. On what’s missing for me? Who knows? Sometimes I think it’s the voice. I mean, there’s just something about the way he vocalizes. On those early records, it’s like he’s running out of breathe and about to have asthma attack! Leaves me anxious. Also, I don’t reckon the musicianship is that flash on those early records, and even in the 80’s. But I can’t speak authoritatively about the Boss, as I’ve never got through a whole album. Something usually bugs me about him 2 or 3 tracks in. And on the blue collar stuff … I don’t know? Can he ever get out a verse without bringing up a pick up truck, a union card or a job in a steel smelter? If so, I’d like to be steered towards it. (I’m kidding of course .. there are plenty of lyrics where he explores other socio-demographics … you know, lyrics about pregnant waffle waitresses and stuff! Ha ha!)

    PPS On the Stones … Ok, I retract the strippers line. But still, Mick, for the most part, sings lustfully about women and he’d be more balanced sounding a little love-struck sometimes IMHO.

  68. (sorry some typos in the last one)

    Rick, love your passion for the Boss’s standing as a highly rated artist. Of course, it’s deserved: Bruce is undoubtedly one of the greats, and when I’ve connected with his stuff, it’s been as electrifying as anything I’ve come across. So you know what? I’m happy to retract my contention. Let’s just say, I don’t rate him as highly as others and leave it at that, yes?

    PS. On what’s missing for me? Who knows? Sometimes I think it’s the voice. I mean, there’s just something about the way he vocalizes. On those early records, it’s like he’s running out of breathe and is about to have an asthma attack! Leaves me anxious. Also, I don’t reckon the musicianship is that flash on those early records, and even in the 80’s. But I can’t speak authoritatively about the Boss, as I’ve never got through a whole album. Something usually bugs me about him 2 or 3 tracks in. And on the blue collar stuff … I don’t know? Can he ever get out a verse without bringing up a pick up truck, a union card or a job in a steel smelter? If so, I’d like to be steered towards it. (I’m kidding of course .. there are plenty of lyrics where he explores other socio demographics … you know, lyrics about pregnant waffle waitresses and stuff! Ha ha!)

    PPS On the Stones … Ok, I retract the strippers line. But still, Mick, for the most part, sings lustfully about women and he’d be more balanced sounding a little love-struck sometimes IMHO.

  69. Leunig should be commissioned to do the Matthew Pavlich cover for the 2014 Footy Alamanac.

  70. Just put on Born to Run via Youtube and have made it through to track 4. A first!! (and loved Thunder Road and Tenth Avenue freeze out)

  71. Rick Kane says:

    Wait for Backstreets. Ask yourself, is it a guy singing about a girl or a best friend. Cheers

  72. Backstreets came and went with me noticing it too much. Was distracted by Luke’s touching piece. Just hit Born to Run. Born to Run alone seals the Boss’s standing. Has a song ever been brought to a boil more wondrously?

  73. The Wrap. says:

    Just re-read your Jesus listing T-Bone. Science has also done it’s fair share of organ replants. Do they count as bringing the dead back to life and miracle cures?

  74. More on my reassessment of Bruce. Been listening to Born to Run all week. Thunder Road? Geez, how did I miss this song all them years ago. Wow.

  75. Rick Kane says:

    Yes T Bone, yes. At Sunday night’s concert in Melbourne he played the entire album!

    Cheers

  76. Today (June 4) is yet another strong Leunig cartoon.

    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/national/cartoons-for-wednesday-4th-june-2014-20140603-39ga2.html

    When I was in universities they didn’t represent the world as I knew it. Newspapers? Should Flanagan be the exception? Or the norm?

    Why is ‘real’ considered ‘quirky’?

    Does the commentariat write for each other?

    I find pubs to be the most honest places on the planet.

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