A different view of one of football’s most famous marks. Jezza climbs over Jerker Jenkins in the 1970 Grand Final.
Serge looks impressed.
This photo came to us some time ago, and we have been unable to locate its source. If anyone can help in this regard, please comment below. Or just enjoy the photo.
It was on the Blueseum site.
PF, searched there high and low.
Don’t think it’s there any more.
Good ordinary mark
Was it as good as Chapman’s Dips?
Good idea for a car ad…….
Good idea to philosophise about . . . http://footyalmanac.com.au/?p=23840 ;-)
Who was Terry Waters? A Collingwood player?
Yes Ian . A good one as well. Like many of his time he did not see ultimate success.
Phantom, the reason I ask is a little obscure. I wondered if the banner was constructed by the same person who did the collingwood banner in this photo http://vulgar.com.au/libero/images/footysoccersmall.jpg
By the way there’s a prize for correctly identifying all the players in the photo.
Ian,
I can’t identify the players in the modest ‘V’s but I think I can understand why a Collingwood supporter could become disorientated around that unproductive epoch and end up watching the world game.
Terry Waters was a very solid backline player and it wasn’t his fault that he played in losing flags. He always did stood up. If I remember correctly he features in a couple of their losses.
It’s worth noting that Terry Waters captained the Pies in that match/season and for part of 1971, following industrial action by Des Tuddenham, his predecessor, and the likely next in line, Len Thompson (recently deceased).
Waters had a fine career with Dandenong, prior to joining Collingwood.
I’ll partially answer with speculation.
Carlton
Jezza
Thornley
Serge
Swan(?) He kicked it.
Raggsy(?)
Gill(?)
Collingwood
Jerka
O’Callaghan
Thommo(?)
Potter
Phantom, the player closest to the camera is Kevin Murray.
Surely this pic would’ve been the jigsaw photo on the back had there been a Scanlen’s series in 1971.
Interesting Ian.
My memories of watching Kevin Murray (wirey, skinny little bugger) were when he played footy in the 60’s. Wasn’t aware of his round ball prowess.
Phantoms have long memories………… and black and white tellys (Old Jungle Saying)
Phantom, I think you need to read this http://footyalmanac.com.au/?p=3395
One other player in that photo is Gordon Collis (sp?)
I just want to push the ‘play’ button.
Bruce Howard shot one version for the Herald, Clive McKinnon shot The Age’s version and I think it was one of the many Bull’s who shot it for the Sun. Bruce or Clive will know who shot this as there were only a handful of shooters covering the game, and probably only one shooting colour.
Ian, Definitely not Collis, he retired in ’67 or ’68 due to injuries. Oh, and I did realise, your interest and prize was related to the (in)famous soccer match. I can’t help, without further research, and doubt that I’ll offer much even with further reflection!.
For the photo in the post, I reckon the bloke on the left of the three players in the background is Phil Pinnell, and I agree with Peter Flynn’s speculative picks that the other two are Swan McKay and Barry Gill.
No debate about Sergio Silvagni being the Carlton player facing the contest and the camera.
What appeared from a slightly different angle (source below) is that there is a further Carlton player obscured by Collingwood #29 O’Callaghan. I have no idea who that is, but I guess PF is suggesting Bert Thornley.
I thought that #3 was Ted Potter, but the Encylopedia of VFL/AFL Footballers gives a different number for him, and it doesn’t identify a #3 from the players who ran out on the day. I’m sure the many Magpie Almanackers will be able to clarify this one. It wouldn’t be the first error in the Encyclopedia.
It’s a long-time since I’ve seen a flim/video of the match, and I have no recollection of previously seeing the wide-angle shot. The close-up of just the two players is perhaps the most published photograph in Australian Rules.
The full story of the photograph, particulartly the more famous abbreviated version, is told in Tony de Bolfo’s “Out of the Blue” pp.152-5. It’s too long to reproduce, and I don’t know how to extract it from any online source (if such a source exists).
Martin Flanagan “1970 & Other Stories ….” pp.47-9 also has a description of the mark.
“The mark was photographed from at least three different angles. Two of the shots are in Jerker’s (Graeme Jenkin) billiard room.”
The three shots were taken by Clive Mackinnon (Sun), and two of Bruce Howard (Herald), Dennis Bull (Age) and Alan Funnell (Australian). De Bolfo mentions that Rennie Ellis “seized the moment in colour as part of a glorious ground level panorama. That makes Ellis a likely suspect for the photo reproduced here.
So I’m still uncertain about the Collingwood player far right (facing the camera), Collingwood #3 (foreground) and the Carlton player obscured by O’Callaghan.
westcoastdave,
I suspect that some Almanackers would like to push the rewind!
Thornley is obscured by O’Callaghan.
I reckon that’s by Rennie Ellis (check out his archive in the State Library of Victoria).
Looking at alternate views of classic images is really interesting with regards to the question of ownership of an image. Several years ago Four n twenty pies were using a drawing of the jezza mark and Jezza himself threatened to sue claiming that he owns the mark and therefore the copyright. Leo Barry tried the same thing after 2005. I would argue that the photographer, and not the footballer, owns the copyright of the image, as its that image that becomes part of the footy consciousness.
Would anybody suggest that Mike Williamson’s “Jesauklenko you beauty” is not important to the memory of that moment?
Looks great after seeing the same angle of this wonderful mark for so many years.